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#21 Daddyof2

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 08:34 PM

Any time OSHA says so and any other time you think you need one. If I felt that I needed an extra hand and it was denied, someone would have some serious explaning to do. And if you cant convince me that i dont need the help HAVE BAG, WILL DRAG.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:49 AM

When working 600 volts and above.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:58 AM

QUOTE (DLINEMAN @ Sep 23 2004, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I THINK OSHA OR THE GOV.SHOULD MAKE IT A LAW THAT ANY TIME SOME ONE
IS DEALING WITH ELECTRICAL STUFF FROM SETTING A METER TO JUST CHECK VOLTAGE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WITH THEM.TILL THAT HAPPENS CO.WILL KEEP SENDING LINEMAN OUT BY THEM SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IF CO'S
WOULD LOOK A THE TRAINING POSSIBILTY OF HAVING APPRENTICES RIDE WITH
A J-LINEMAN IT COULD BENFIT EVERYONE AND THINK OF THE SAFETY ASPECT
IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO THE CUSTOMER IF YOU SHOW TO DO A JOB AND YOU ARE BY YOURSELF IT WOULD GO TWICE AS FAST WITH TWO.BUT IT DOESN'T
MATTER HOW MUCH WE GRIPE ABOUT IT OR HOW MANY ACCIDENT OR LOSE OF LIFE CO'S LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY SAFE AND WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you on that man speaking from an Apprentice point of view I would love to be able to go out with Journyman on even a simple meter install just to get the chances to learn more tricks and to get to pick the Journymans brain about things not only would it help with saftey but the productivity would go up a ton. Our company rule is when the bucket goes up or a guy goes up in hooks there is one man on the ground normally we have two to three man crews once you get more than that unless its a big job you end up getting guys standing around. Since Im in the beginning of my Apprenticeship I still only get to climb and hit the bucket everynow and then but it makes me feel a little better knowing I have another set of eyes on the ground just in case im forgetting something or not being as safe as I could be.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 09:25 AM

QUOTE (Apprentice 1 @ Dec 10 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DLINEMAN @ Sep 23 2004, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I THINK OSHA OR THE GOV.SHOULD MAKE IT A LAW THAT ANY TIME SOME ONE
IS DEALING WITH ELECTRICAL STUFF FROM SETTING A METER TO JUST CHECK VOLTAGE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WITH THEM.TILL THAT HAPPENS CO.WILL KEEP SENDING LINEMAN OUT BY THEM SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IF CO'S
WOULD LOOK A THE TRAINING POSSIBILTY OF HAVING APPRENTICES RIDE WITH
A J-LINEMAN IT COULD BENFIT EVERYONE AND THINK OF THE SAFETY ASPECT
IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO THE CUSTOMER IF YOU SHOW TO DO A JOB AND YOU ARE BY YOURSELF IT WOULD GO TWICE AS FAST WITH TWO.BUT IT DOESN'T
MATTER HOW MUCH WE GRIPE ABOUT IT OR HOW MANY ACCIDENT OR LOSE OF LIFE CO'S LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY SAFE AND WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you on that man speaking from an Apprentice point of view I would love to be able to go out with Journyman on even a simple meter install just to get the chances to learn more tricks and to get to pick the Journymans brain about things not only would it help with saftey but the productivity would go up a ton. Our company rule is when the bucket goes up or a guy goes up in hooks there is one man on the ground normally we have two to three man crews once you get more than that unless its a big job you end up getting guys standing around. Since Im in the beginning of my Apprenticeship I still only get to climb and hit the bucket everynow and then but it makes me feel a little better knowing I have another set of eyes on the ground just in case im forgetting something or not being as safe as I could be.



Being a lineman in the cable industry we work solely alone. We go up in the bucket alone, gaf alone and run outages alone in the middle of the night. We have asked hundreds of times to have 2 people in each bucket truck, but the company says no. We work in storms and around power lines. We can be injured at night and nobody would know it happened. It's a little scary to think about. Luckily we have had no one get hurt, but it is bound to happen.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 10:47 AM

Can I get an AMEN in this house..... You tell them STS

I'm with STS on this one

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE (olo131 @ Dec 10 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can I get an AMEN in this house..... You tell them STS

I'm with STS on this one

olo131


I don't see the problem with it, and they cannot give us one damn good reason why we shouldn't..
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 02:56 AM

whenever working off the ground or working near live apparartus regardless of the voltage another person should be present.the company i work for have all field staff(labourers,drivers,plant operators)trained in pole top rescue,cdd use on buckets,ground operation & bleed down valve points of bucket trucks and suspension trauma rescue so when on a call-out,think you blokes call it troubleshooting,who ever comes with me is capable of rescuing me.i am hoping this sort of training for all field staff is standard across the pacific for all your sparrows(groundstaff)

as they keep on saying "there is no price on safety"



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Posted 03 January 2010 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Dec 10 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Apprentice 1 @ Dec 10 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DLINEMAN @ Sep 23 2004, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I THINK OSHA OR THE GOV.SHOULD MAKE IT A LAW THAT ANY TIME SOME ONE
IS DEALING WITH ELECTRICAL STUFF FROM SETTING A METER TO JUST CHECK VOLTAGE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WITH THEM.TILL THAT HAPPENS CO.WILL KEEP SENDING LINEMAN OUT BY THEM SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IF CO'S
WOULD LOOK A THE TRAINING POSSIBILTY OF HAVING APPRENTICES RIDE WITH
A J-LINEMAN IT COULD BENFIT EVERYONE AND THINK OF THE SAFETY ASPECT
IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO THE CUSTOMER IF YOU SHOW TO DO A JOB AND YOU ARE BY YOURSELF IT WOULD GO TWICE AS FAST WITH TWO.BUT IT DOESN'T
MATTER HOW MUCH WE GRIPE ABOUT IT OR HOW MANY ACCIDENT OR LOSE OF LIFE CO'S LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY SAFE AND WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you on that man speaking from an Apprentice point of view I would love to be able to go out with Journyman on even a simple meter install just to get the chances to learn more tricks and to get to pick the Journymans brain about things not only would it help with saftey but the productivity would go up a ton. Our company rule is when the bucket goes up or a guy goes up in hooks there is one man on the ground normally we have two to three man crews once you get more than that unless its a big job you end up getting guys standing around. Since Im in the beginning of my Apprenticeship I still only get to climb and hit the bucket everynow and then but it makes me feel a little better knowing I have another set of eyes on the ground just in case im forgetting something or not being as safe as I could be.



Being a lineman in the cable industry we work solely alone. We go up in the bucket alone, gaf alone and run outages alone in the middle of the night. We have asked hundreds of times to have 2 people in each bucket truck, but the company says no. We work in storms and around power lines. We can be injured at night and nobody would know it happened. It's a little scary to think about. Luckily we have had no one get hurt, but it is bound to happen.


Form a Union,,,,, W.S.

#29 olo131

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 08:22 AM

QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Dec 10 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Apprentice 1 @ Dec 10 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DLINEMAN @ Sep 23 2004, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I THINK OSHA OR THE GOV.SHOULD MAKE IT A LAW THAT ANY TIME SOME ONE
IS DEALING WITH ELECTRICAL STUFF FROM SETTING A METER TO JUST CHECK VOLTAGE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WITH THEM.TILL THAT HAPPENS CO.WILL KEEP SENDING LINEMAN OUT BY THEM SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IF CO'S
WOULD LOOK A THE TRAINING POSSIBILTY OF HAVING APPRENTICES RIDE WITH
A J-LINEMAN IT COULD BENFIT EVERYONE AND THINK OF THE SAFETY ASPECT
IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO THE CUSTOMER IF YOU SHOW TO DO A JOB AND YOU ARE BY YOURSELF IT WOULD GO TWICE AS FAST WITH TWO.BUT IT DOESN'T
MATTER HOW MUCH WE GRIPE ABOUT IT OR HOW MANY ACCIDENT OR LOSE OF LIFE CO'S LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY SAFE AND WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you on that man speaking from an Apprentice point of view I would love to be able to go out with Journyman on even a simple meter install just to get the chances to learn more tricks and to get to pick the Journymans brain about things not only would it help with saftey but the productivity would go up a ton. Our company rule is when the bucket goes up or a guy goes up in hooks there is one man on the ground normally we have two to three man crews once you get more than that unless its a big job you end up getting guys standing around. Since Im in the beginning of my Apprenticeship I still only get to climb and hit the bucket everynow and then but it makes me feel a little better knowing I have another set of eyes on the ground just in case im forgetting something or not being as safe as I could be.



Being a lineman in the cable industry we work solely alone. We go up in the bucket alone, gaf alone and run outages alone in the middle of the night. We have asked hundreds of times to have 2 people in each bucket truck, but the company says no. We work in storms and around power lines. We can be injured at night and nobody would know it happened. It's a little scary to think about. Luckily we have had no one get hurt, but it is bound to happen.


Form a Union,,,,, W.S.



Union??? Did you just mention a Union....... someone is getting fired for mentioning the word Union.... WS are you trying to get the man fired.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 09:25 AM

Grow a set! If you think your worth your salt and skilled enough that they cant replace you,then get some guys that feel the same way and do something.If you tell me it's not allowed and you could loose your job, or there isn't enough of you that feel the same, then I'm just wasting my breath...You can go down to the local IBEW office and ask about them helping you.The IBEW will even help out cable guys! W.S.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:04 AM

QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Grow a set! If you think your worth your salt and skilled enough that they cant replace you,then get some guys that feel the same way and do something.If you tell me it's not allowed and you could loose your job, or there isn't enough of you that feel the same, then I'm just wasting my breath...You can go down to the local IBEW office and ask about them helping you.The IBEW will even help out cable guys! W.S.


Hey I here you.... in 05' we made a go at the union thing 26 of us locally signed cards and I went to 2 meetings and the company found out and scared the shit out of those who signed...... we did not have enough to vote and 3 guys where gone in a week for odd reasons. That happened in my division but it was running threw the company

Knology, Inc. Cable Techs in Georgia Move to Form Union
http://www.cwacable.org/news/page.jsp?itemID=27084517

Something good did come about this we got shoe allowance better equipment and a few other things. I have a set and stood my ground when called by the GM and I'm still here.

It is much easer when you walk into a company that is unionized than breaking new ground.

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#32 wood stabber

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:19 AM

QUOTE (olo131 @ Jan 3 2010, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Grow a set! If you think your worth your salt and skilled enough that they cant replace you,then get some guys that feel the same way and do something.If you tell me it's not allowed and you could loose your job, or there isn't enough of you that feel the same, then I'm just wasting my breath...You can go down to the local IBEW office and ask about them helping you.The IBEW will even help out cable guys! W.S.


Hey I here you.... in 05' we made a go at the union thing 26 of us locally signed cards and I went to 2 meetings and the company found out and scared the shit out of those who signed...... we did not have enough to vote and 3 guys where gone in a week for odd reasons. That happened in my division but it was running threw the company

Knology, Inc. Cable Techs in Georgia Move to Form Union
http://www.cwacable.org/news/page.jsp?itemID=27084517

Something good did come about this we got shoe allowance better equipment and a few other things. I have a set and stood my ground when called by the GM and I'm still here.

It is much easer when you walk into a company that is unionized than breaking new ground.

olo131

I know trust me,,,, Broke new ground before, got 5 guys into the Union and a RAT contractor run outta business,best thing that ever happened!! Keep trying, if you DO want it, go talk to the IBEW office ,stay away from the CWA. W.S.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:20 AM

Sometimes union is not a good thing though. I would like 2 people per truck to do the work. I can hear the company now for our area.. There were 11 system techs and we have to hire 11 more! Sounds about right to me!
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:21 AM

How do you find a IBEW office for your area? Do they list those on Google? So they will help other utilities, not only power?
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 10:58 AM

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I know trust me,,,, Broke new ground before, got 5 guys into the Union and a RAT contractor run outta business,best thing that ever happened!! Keep trying, if you DO want it, go talk to the IBEW office ,stay away from the CWA. W.S.


We used the CWA because the guy that was starting things Dad was on the board.... we never heard from them again after he was fired.
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:02 AM

QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do you find a IBEW office for your area? Do they list those on Google? So they will help other utilities, not only power?

What's the closest MAJOR town to you?


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:05 AM

QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do you find a IBEW office for your area? Do they list those on Google? So they will help other utilities, not only power?

What's the closest MAJOR town to you?


Nashville
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do you find a IBEW office for your area? Do they list those on Google? So they will help other utilities, not only power?

What's the closest MAJOR town to you?


Nashville


How far is Kingsport?

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do you find a IBEW office for your area? Do they list those on Google? So they will help other utilities, not only power?

What's the closest MAJOR town to you?


Nashville


How far is Kingsport?


3 or 4 hours lol. Nashville is like 35 minutes.
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 12:13 PM

QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wood stabber @ Jan 3 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (System Tech Senior @ Jan 3 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do you find a IBEW office for your area? Do they list those on Google? So they will help other utilities, not only power?

What's the closest MAJOR town to you?


Nashville


How far is Kingsport?


3 or 4 hours lol. Nashville is like 35 minutes.


Well,,, the only IBEW office that handles CATV in your area is Local 934 ,the business managers name is Roger Farmer #(432) 323-5411, call him and ask what they can do for you.

The IBEW represents catv ,tele,communications, NOT JUST Powerline lineman.
You can ask for representation from anybody you want,laborers union,cwa,even the same union your garbage guy is in if you want! If I was looking ,I would want the Union that dealt with my line if work,and that was the biggest!
You need to contact them ,and tell them you want to speak to them and you have other workers that want to do the same.You CANNOT get into trouble for seeking representation,there are laws against it.Look up "Wienberger" act. All you have to do is get a majority of the guys in your shop to want a Union,take a vote on it .If the vote is a "No" then it's back to the way thing were.If it's a "Yes" then you will enter negoeations(sp) to come up with a contract!
That's when you tell 'em you want better wages,safer working conditions, RETIREMENT, INSURANCE,things like that.
Likely they will counter , then you go back and forth , until you come up with an agreement!

If your company threatens you with your job,or loss of hours,they are in fact BREAKING the law!!
It wont happen overnight,but if you want a better place to work,and some BASIC rights, then you should look into it!
W.S.





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